Well might as well beat the dead horse some more. About the Secret Service "scandal"-which is not a scandal really, but a minor incident that has been blown WAY OUT OF PROPOROTION.
The New York Post is printing pictures of some of the girls in question-wonder how much they paid for those-and rummaging through agent's facebook pages and finding new and innovative ways to smear men who by all accounts knew how to do their jobs.
All part of the "moral push" by hypocrites to shape people into their own pre-conceived notions of how one should think and act. I find it interesting that no one has asked the two most important questions:
1) Did the men know their jobs?
2) Did they show up for work each day on time?
If the answer to the above two questions is yes–THEN WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU CARE WHAT OR WHO THEY DO ON THEIR TIME OFF?
That's right Rep ISSA-I said it-why the fucking "moral outrage?"
Over at GI Korea it was brought up that this smells a lot like 2002 when people where shocked, shocked!-that their might be sex going on out in town:
You can read more at the link but this sounds much like when Fox News did their big expose’ on prostitution in Korea back in 2002. People were shocked about the prostitution going on in Korea even though it had been going on since the 1950′s and by the time Fox News did their report it had greatly scaled down compared to prior decades. Since that report it has scaled down even further. By the way does anyone know if USFK is still showing that Fox News report to new personnel as part of inprocessing?
I have never been to Columbia but I did have a real good conversation with a US military servicemember who did, so take for what it is worth, but he told me that Columbia is filled with women looking to hook up with Americans. He said it was kind of like going to Angeles City in the Philippines. Has any ROK Heads been to Columbia and can confirm this? So it appears that what these guys were doing is something that had been going on for a long time and everyone turned a blind eye to it until the media got hold of it like what happened with prostitution in Korea.
Be careful what you wish for-unless the organizations you want are to become just a bunch of no risk taking, non-drinking, religious zealots. We have already seen how well that has worked in the United States Air Force, haven't we? Hasn't seemed to lower the amount of sex going on-but it sure did increase the amount going on between service members.
I shake my head and weep when I think back to the way things were in the "the good old days"-if you had applied the "Secret Service Standard" to just about any Navy squadron in the 80's during a port visit or detachment to (fill in the blank of your favorite sin city liberty port)-you would have wiped out a lot of very good people.
The type of people who excel in the military or other entities are senusal, excitement driven, people. I have no doubt that carries over to sex lives as well-and if the kind of person you want is the staid, Casper Milquetoast type-well then that's not a world I want to be a part of. Besides it always begs the question of where is the line between ones private and professional life. Given the answer we hear now repeatedly-the "man" wants to run it all. I think that's an unfair and unAmerican standard. I believe that these Secret Service agents adn the military personnel involved are being given a raw deal. Whose life when put under a microscope can stand up to scrutiny? This is the humorless, bland world you want?
I sure as hell don't.
Good post Skippy! Next we will hear how in their off time, the SS agents go out and repaint schools and orphanages and help build houses for those unfortunates in 3rd world countries they visit. The same countries that will demand that they be kept under lock and key so as to not "dishonor the sanctity of local women" but yet will let them live in dirt hovels and not provide the basics for them so that they don't have to earn a living "on their backs" as it were.
A good book to read is called "Let the Good Times Roll" and it is about the sex scene that was in the pacific up until the early 90's. Sure it has an agenda to it (anti US imperialist) but it did talk about some of those places that made up for the fact that some young men were a long way from home and wanted to have a good time.
Of couse I have to keep that book along with the others that explore that topic away from the better half, especially when I go on TAD to some of the locations that are in the book.
Apparently this woman – is a sort of Bar Girl seen all over the world – a young, reasonably attractive prostitute; either an independent, or hired by the bar to hang out, look pretty, make the place seem classy, draw men into the place, make sure they buy drinks, and turn a trick or two. And apparently a Secret Service agent met her at said bar, where a lot of drinks were flowing, and took her back to his hotel, along with at least one other agent who took her colleague to the hotel, as well. In the morning there was a dispute about money, and the cops became involved. Prostitution is legal in Columbia, so the police involvement is not as big a deal as it would be here. The G-man ended up giving her about $225 with the police help – and she went on her way. For the police it was a similar situation to someone walking out on a bar tab. Just pay up, no biggie. Now it has turned into the biggest scandal since Iran-Contra, with agents being forced out and resigning and refusing polygraph tests, etc. What the fuck? How is this a scandal? How is anyone losing a job over this? Again, prostitution is legal in Columbia, so how is this a fireable offense? What is wrong with this picture?:
1. The girl – cute? yes. An "escort"? No. She is a bar girl, which is a step above brothel girl, which in turn is a step above streetwalker. A bar girl is a not an "escort" or a call girl. She is a step below them. If the agent wanted an escort, he would have gone online or called an agency and the girl would have met him at the bar or his room and cost would have been negotiated up front, by her agency, her pimp, or herself. That is an escort, and escorts ARE classy and the best, like she claims, but an escort she aint. She is a bar girl and the idea of her commanding $800 US a night is ludicrous. She is not an NYC call girl. I would figure an all nighter with a young, hot, Latin American Bar Girl would be about what she ended up with – $250 – more than the average monthly household income for Columbia. For $800 she should have done him all night and bought two friends and a farm animal with her. So problem #1 is the girl did not end up getting ripped off, no matter what she claims.
2. The G-men are stating some of the men at the party didn't know the girls were prostitutes. Bullshit. They have all done this before. These guys may be young, American, in shape, with nice clothes, and get their share of attention from the foreign ladies, but a working girl is a working girl and you can tell. You don't get on the President's Secret Service Advance team by being stupid.
3. Prostitution is LEGAL there. So the G-man didn't do anything illegal. How can he get fired? If the morality police have a problem with legal prostitution in Columbia, take it up with the Colombian government. People go to Nevada to partake in legal gambling and some go to partake in legal prostitution – you can't get fired for doing it – it's LEGAL!
4. The agent in question is a dick. He knew she was a whore – and he took her back to the room and did whatever with her, and probably got some morning action also. Now pay her. $25 for cab fare is insulting. Now, if she quoted $800 the night before, and he was drunk and horny enough to agree, then he owes her. But most likely if she had said $800 the night before he would have laughed at her and told her to get lost. Most likely he agreed to give her a "gift", like she states, and a hard number was never agreed upon. Yes, she tried to shake him down for 3 or 4 times more than she should in the morning, but what did you expect? – she is a whore, after all. But just pay her. Knock on your buddy's door if you have to and borrow a couple hundred bucks – give her $250, which she better shut up and accept, and go on your way. I guarantee you, if he had handed her $250, given her a big hug and a thank you, and asked her to meet up again that night, she would have been there with bells on. But no, he tried to stiff her, and now he is fucked.
5. Screw the morality police – these Secret Service guys get a lot of perks, and it's a cool job, but it's also a tough one. They don't get to blow off some steam? Saliors, soldiers, and Marines have been into this sort of thing since WWI, and we look the other way for the boys in uniform when they are away from home- but the boys willing to take a bullet for the POTUS are held to some higher standard? Why is this guy's legal activities done on his off time, anyone's damn business?
Skippy,
A few other things that I have read at some blogs that are NSFW:
1. There may be a part on the American media to sensationalize the whoe episode. They keep going with the $800 cost, but it was more than likely an 800K peso, which still comes out to around $400. Still that is too much for a "long time" since the normal rates for that are around $300 US. So they inflated the costs to make the story more attractive and make the SS look bad.
2. Believe it or not, women go on just as many "sex vacations" as men. Remember the whole Natile Hollaway situation in Aruba? Like it or not, those girls went down there to party and have sex, just like many do on spring break and head down to places like Mexico and other destinations. Even in Thailand, upper class Thai women go looking for foreign men (mostly Jamacian and other non-Thai men) to go and have sex with and there is business there for that stuff. So trying to say that "boys will be boys" and all men are evil is really not the truth.
3. What's probably more telling is that the party that Hillary had. They were all drinking and having a good time (nothing wrong with that), and yet when the night was over, from what I read she only tipped around $40 US. Talking about a cheap and entitled princess! It's ok for her and the girls to have a good time, but not the boys.
To be honest, my days of renting and shutting down a bar are long gone. I think I would have gone the route of the SS agents, but I would have went out alone, and jsut dropped the extra bucks for a Love hotel and not brought them back to my room. They made rookie jedi mistakes.
Maurice,
That actually sounds more believable- and like you said is a pretty rookie mistake . Plus it reinforces why you need to go out by yourself/ and or get a separate room away from the main hotel.
Skippy,
I was waiting for this to come out, and a review of Fox News I came across this tidbit:
The Secret Service prostitution scandal is drawing attention to the yawning gender gap at the agency, with prominent female lawmakers suggesting Sunday that the alleged misconduct might never have happened if more women were on duty.
"If there were more (female) agents on the ground, maybe we would not have had this, and I can't help but keep asking this question — where are the women?"
This from Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D, NY). I knew this would happen.
yea right………
Its having women in the force that got everyone up in arms about this in the first place. Just like in the service-as soon as they got wind that there might be people out there having a good time-they closed down everything fun. Because their goal was to change the service-not just join it.
And so over time-you will have Secret Service agents fucking other secret service agents. Which is far more destructive in the long term than some guy nailing a Latina hooker with a nice round ass.
Bull Halsey would have never made it today…
Wow, it's not like these guys are making a run of the mill port call. They are prepping a visit by the President, for whom they have security responsibility. Even basic knowledge of their job would tell you that they cannot put themselves in a position to be blackmailed.
Sadly, under the present administration the Secret Service has gone into steep decline, as evidenced first by the uninvited party crashers (again a huge security and judgement failure by the secret service.)
I expect some of it is due to the Secret Service being placed under the "leadership" of the Department of Homeland Security, home of the renowned TSA. Napolitano should have been cashiered by Obama long ago.
The latest disaster, just come to light this week, is that TSA agents at LAX were bought off by the Mexican cartels. This is what comes of lax leadership, lax hiring, and lax security.
I suspect that fucking Columbian hookers went on long before Obama became President. As far as I am concerned its not a flaw-its a perk. 🙂
What I am dissapointed in is the overreaction to the event.