Evidently it does when you talking about douche teabaggers:
But yesterday, someone told a real whopper. ABC News, citing the DC fire department, reported that between 60,000 and 70,000 people had attended the tea party rally at the Capitol. By the time this figure reached Michelle Malkin, however, it had been blown up to 2,000,000. There is a big difference, obviously, between 70,000 and 2,000,000. That’s not a twofold or threefold exaggeration — it’s roughly a thirtyfold exaggeration. The way this false estimate came into being is relatively simple: Matt Kibbe, the president of FreedomWorks, lied, claiming that ABC News had reported numbers of between 1.0 and 1.5 million when they never did anything of the sort. A few tweets later, the numbers had been exaggerated still further to 2 million. Kibbe wasn’t "in error", as Malkin gently puts it. He lied. He did the equivalent of telling people that his penis is 53 inches long.
Malkin, who to her credit later corrected the error, frets that it might be used to by liberals to "discredit the undeniably massive turnout". She’s right to be worried — it absolutely will be used that way. If you don’t want to be discredited, then don’t, as Kibbe did, tell a ridiculous (and easily disprovable) lie.
Malkin herself did not lie; she merely repeated a lie. It does not particularly call into question her character. It does, however, call into question her judgment. The reason is that if there had in fact been 2 million protesters in Washington yesterday, there would have been no need to lie about it — the magnitude of the protests would have been self-evident. I was in Washington for the inauguration, an event at which there really were almost 2 million people present — and let me tell you, it was a Holy Mess. Hotels, charging double or treble their usual rates, were booked weeks in advance. Major stations on the Metro system were shut down for hours at a time. The National Guard was brought in. At least 3,000 people got stuck in a tunnel. Essentially the entirely of the National Mall, from the Capitol to the Washington Monument, was dotted with onlookers. Heaps of trash were left behind. The entire city was basically a warzone for a period of about 20 hours, from midnight through mid-evening.
But there are no accounts of any of those sorts of things happening yesterday. 70 thousand people, rather, is about the number that will attend the Washington Redskins’ home opener next week. That’s a lot of people. Washington — actually Landover, Maryland, where FedEx Field is located — will be inconvenienced. But it won’t be shut down. Business will go on more or less as usual.
This was not a small rally. It was also not, in comparison with something like the 2006 pro-immigration protests, a particularly large rally. It was a business-as-usual sort of rally. Mock the protesters at your peril: business as usual suddenly isn’t so good for Democrats these days, and the sentiments of the 70,000 people who marched on Washington surely mirror those of millions more sitting at home. They were done a disservice by being represented by a liar like Kibbe.
I still have no use for tea baggery-but 70,000 people showing up in DC, despite Freedom Works attempts to inflate their impact, is still a lot and something the Congress in particular needs to be concerned about. But don’t call it a "movement". I’d also point out that people who think this is about race-like Maureen Dowd-are kidding themselves and setting themselves up for failure next year. This is has nothing to do with race. The fact that Obama is black, gives the nuts in tea bag land something unique to grab onto, but don’t kid yourself. It could be Hillary Clinton in office and the same thing would have happened.
Tea baggery is about the idea that Republicans are entitled to be in the Presidency and any non Republican who occupies the oval office is a usuper-not entitled to be there. By that line of thinking, the last "legitimate" Democratic President was Lyndon Johnson. Carter, Clinton, and now Barak Obama-are all pretenders to the throne-only present by some colossal deception of the American people. Its vehemence has been accelerated by talk radio and advent of one sided TV hosts who masquerade as journalists. Oh sure, the technique is not unique to the tea bagger’s side-its just that they have raised the ability to drive home a specific message to a high art form. "Anyone who disagrees with them is not just wrong-they are evil". The current parade of communist symbols and Hitlerite mustaches is just the end result of 19 years of conditioning. Only republicans-and only very conservative Republicans have what it takes to govern America.
Now to be honest-this meme has been helped along the way by none other than the Democrats themselves-with their unique capability for self flagellation and boneheaded antics when close to achieving a goal. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are the biggest threat to Obama-not this group of hot heads. As Larry Wilkerson pointed out :"But [Nancy] Pelosi and [Harry] Reid are such feckless leaders they haven’t got any spine. We have no leadership in the legislative branch on either side of the aisle."
So we are left with the message of the day from the tea baggers. Actually, its a lot of messages, cause they can’t seem to focus on just one. All they know, deep down, is that they don’t like the President. It gets easier when you have a President who ran on a mantra of change. That allows them to throw around words like "czars", "socialism", "facisim" and "communism" without any regard for the facts. Especially the fact that in actuality very little has changed-save for the fact that the very actions they decry as "socialist"-has allowed the market and the value of their 401K’s to rebound considerably since last year. Industrial production is now rising; so, probably, is real GDP. Poorly designed or no-the stimulus did that, they ignore what the alternative would have been. Its probably news to a lot of them that they actually lost ground economically during the past eight years. Don’t tell them that though-most of them believe that but for one or two bad breaks-they too could be obscenely rich like the insurance company CEO’s they are defending.
I’m with Andrew Sullivan-the tea baggers might have a lot more credibility on the fear of government spending if they would be upset about all the spending that got us into this mess:
Here’s a test: when you see as many posters lambasting Bush and Cheney and the GOP for getting us into this crisis in the first place, I will take these people seriously as genuine small government non-partisan conservatives and independents. In so far as they can pressure the Congress and president into taking the debt seriously in the future, good for them. In so far as they are proposing no practical solutions, and echo truly disturbing hatred of a president barely eight months in office, facing huge crises on all fronts, they are doing their own cause far more harm than good.
But don’t fool yourself-all this saying "its about the President being black" is nonsense- that obscures how really dangerous these people could become. Its not about race-and just knowing that the facts are able to prove you right, won’t be enough as the year drags on. Tea Baggers only want to hear from people who believe their narrative. This is about a desire for a certain order-and order that says only one party has any ideas or ability to be in the White House. As ridicule worthy as these people are-they are not going away.
But they are not monolithic either. Its important to remember that elections are about 10 to 15 million people in the middle. They are not about the far right or the far left. Putting Palin on the ballot probably was the biggest thing McCain did to turn off those middle of the road voters. That’s why McCain is not President. Now its Obama’s turn to turn them off. From the looks of it, he’s off to a good start. But those 70,000 people not part of the group that’s in the middle. And they never will be.
I concur. I am fascinated how MSNBC portrays this confrontation between Obama and the tea baggers et al. To them, of course, it IS racism or wingnuts. After all, when 7 people show up with guns it MUST mean that the presidents life in in danger.
It must mean that the KKK is back.
People do get to a “tipping point” in their belief system from which their is no return.
Nothing, nothing will convince them otherwise. ie. the earth is flat…..
I believe that the main problem is that a number of folks have just lost faith in their government, that the government lies, is inept and will almost always do the wrong thing. I share that belief.
So if you’re with Andrew Sullivan do you still have your clothes on? Maybe you’re enjoying a nice moonlit evening in a public park blowing some weed while getting it on with the man, you know, maybe even tea bagging the dude?
One of the things I notice about those that marginalize the opposition by belittling them all of the time is how they let their own propaganda overwhelm the truth even to themselves. You seem not to grasp what the Tea Party phenomena represents even though its sole purpose is embodied in the name Tea Party as in Boston Tea Party as in not interested in paying more and more taxes. You dismissively refer to them as tea baggers and instantly lose the focus that you could get by actually extending some respect to them and allowing them to fairly come across as people marching against increased taxes.
I know you don’t get it and don’t care but the interweb is letting millions of ordinary tax paying citizens understand that they are screwed now and it will only get worse. The economy has collapsed. The debt stands at over $11 trillion now before we’ve implemented national health care. Service on the debt will cost US taxpayers over a $1 trillion/year up front. The Baby Boomers are all hitting social security retirement age and there is NO $ to pay what they were promised. There is nothing there! That means that all these expenditures on a falling economy with reduced federal revenues are coming due now just as some jackass is promising to insure an additional 30 million to 46 million people at no additional expense to us the taxpayer.
I guess there really are people stupid enough to believe that and also believe that nobody making under $250,000 is going to have a tax increase because the rich will pay for it all.
I watch your lot spin into the racism spiral and load up your straw men arguments for easy progressive dialectical demolition by your reasoned (HE’S A RACIST!@!!!!) arguments and laugh. At you.
I love the obsession shared by progressives about the nerve of anybody with a 1st amendment right comparing the national socialism being preached by Obama and that of the NAZI party in the 30’s. I think if we stick to just domestic policy and foreign policy that there are striking parallels between the two. What’s fun is to watch how a dyed in the wool Marxist implements national socialism while actualizing all of his radical Marxist friends and supporters. I see the socialism and admire how he appeases his red friends by appointing scores of unaccountable czars—but isn’t that a misnomer since the reds were all about killing czars? Maybe somebody should point that out to Pelosi. They’d probably have to use pictures and put a swastika on it in order to get her attention.
Skippy,
I’m with you. My take is the Tea Party concept was great it has been cooped by real iife Teabaggers and is in real danger of becoming irrelevant.
@ Curtis, very well said, I have tried to get that point across but all Skippy sees is the radical side of what Charles stated. Almost sounds kind of familiar…..
Me, brought up in a Republican house, registered Republican but have been doing serious research for something different than what they have become. I associate myself with Libertarian more than Republican Party now, and I have some reservations about them but you can’t make everyone happy all the time right? I have been paying taxes since i was sixteen and as my fruits of labor have been paying off over the years it simply astonishes me to the amount of taxes I pay at all levels. That is why the original Tea Party movement caught my attention back in March (?) Don’t get me wrong I do not think that a pay as you go or no taxes is the right answer (like most Libertarians do) but the Government has simply grown too damn large and belligerant with our monies.
@Dudes99, I can see why Libertarian ideas might be attractive, but come y’all only seem to notice government expansion when it’s being done by Democrats? Two examples: the Unitary Executive Theory (i.e. the President can do whatever he want’s ’cause he’s the President), and Medicare Part D (a huge expansion of an entitlement). How come nobody was in the streets back then?
Not to mention those trillion dollar wars. When people take to the streets to protest those they are branded as lunatics. When people take to the streets to tea bag, then its somehow a “noble thing”.
This is not about spending or taxes. If it was the streets would have been filled with protesters in 2005. Or maybe even in 1987 when Reagan was burning through a lot of money ( which I directly benefited from since it paid my way all over Europe in 1988).
BTW, Sullivan may be gay-but he still writes well. So long as he is not trying to proposition me, I have no problem with what he writes:
The protestors keep saying that they want their country back. Sorry, my fellow small-governmenters, but this country is a democracy, and you didn’t lose your country, you just lost an election. You had your chance for eight years. You blew it, and you lost. What Obama is doing is what he was elected to do. The principled response is not a massive, extremist-riddled hissy fit a few months in, but a constructive set of proposals to build on universal care for a more market-friendly and cost-conscious system in the future. You have to win some political credibility for that; and then you have to beat the man you lost so badly to last year. That’s the civil and civilized way forward for the right. It also seems, alas, to be the one they are currently refusing to take.
You are speaking of those Congressional authorized wars right? The ones that, to this day, enjoy appropriations and other budget authority? You know, by CONGRESS? That would be a DEMOCRAT Congress and DEMOCRAT president? These were the wars that George Tenet, BILL CLINTON’S DCI called a no-brainer for finding WMD? Just asking.
Wanna look at turnouts for Cindy and her Code Pink nazis and contrast with Tea Partiers? I’d say the ratios are in the thousands to 1 but you can probably refute me with footage of code pink rallies rivaling a million plus on the National Mall.
What about the fact that Sullivan, like Kennedy’s, seems to be immune to criminal charges? Does that bother you? Equal justice for all? It bugs me.
Is this some sort of quote?
“The protestors keep saying that they want their country back. Sorry, my fellow small-governmenters, but this country is a democracy, and you didn’t lose your country, you just lost an election. You had your chance for eight years. You blew it, and you lost. What Obama is doing is what he was elected to do. The principled response is not a massive, extremist-riddled hissy fit a few months in, but a constructive set of proposals to build on universal care for a more market-friendly and cost-conscious system in the future. You have to win some political credibility for that; and then you have to beat the man you lost so badly to last year. That’s the civil and civilized way forward for the right. It also seems, alas, to be the one they are currently refusing to take.”
WHAT THE FUCK?!!!!!!! Losing an election does not mean that you have to fall to your knees and swallow! It just means that you move into the opposition and you use all means to oppose the legislative agenda of the majority party!
Seriously dude, where did you get your understanding of government? Did you ever take a civics class? Did you get more than an F for your efforts?
You are going to have to explain it to me-what is Sullivan guilty of that he needs to be charged with a crime? Being gay? Or just being a better writer than me?
I’m also not following your logic about the wars-they started under a Republican President-and most of that trillion was spent prior to 2009.
Maybe switch to decaf? 🙂
Oh sorry. He was arrested for smoking pot in a national park. Huge scandal. I’ve pasted below what I found on Patterico’s website. It’s still up if you’re interested.
“In the Court’s view, in seeking leave to dismiss the charge against Mr. Sullivan, the United States Attorney is not being faithful to a cardinal principle of our legal system, i.e., that all persons stand equal before the law and are to be treated equally in a court of justice once judicial processes are invoked. It is quite apparent that Mr. Sullivan is being treated differently from others who have been charged with the same crime in similar circumstances.
You see, his arrest could endanger his immigration status. Getting busted for pot probably endangers others’ immigration status as well, but they are not Andrew Sullivan, Famous Hypocrite, friend to Obama, and client of the brother of a U.S. Congressman.
The only thing that surprises me about this is that anyone would be surprised.
It’s quite apparent that there is one standard for Andrew Sullivan and another standard for the rest of us. But we already knew that. Andrew Sullivan is the world’s biggest hypocrite.”
Wars must be paid for right? You follow me? The president does not actually have any $ to pay for wars, right? Somebody and I’m guessing CONGRESS has to vote to appropriate money to pay for wars right? Let’s not blame Bush for what our entire Legislature voted on and approved and then funded for the last 7 years. And a trillion for 2 wars over 7 years…. contrast that with $800 Billion for TARP (yeah Bush) and more than that a few months later for the PORKULUS bill (Obama, Reid, Pelosi…I don’t think it got any rethuglican votes at all.) Money vanished in an instant and nothing to show for it.
Well I never heard about that-but if you asking me to get upset about somebody smoking pot, not going to happen. If I had my way it would be legal and we would spend money chasing real criminals.
Besides-consider the source. No axe to grind there. Patterico does not let people even openly comment at his place-he like, most of his kind, seem to take exception to open debate. Not so over here.
Open comment is truly one of the reasons I come back to your site. I’ve commented once or twice at Patterico’s and don’t recall any sort of moderation but it has been some time so I’ll defer to you.
I don’t much care about the pot smoking; it is the equal administration of justice under the law that I take offense at in this case. It’s like the DOJ dismissal of voter intimidation in Philly by Black Panthers. There they are, bold as brass, intimidating folks and this DOJ decides to dismiss the charges and not prosecute. To me, it reads like the Alabama courts that refused to press charges against the people who killed freedom riders. We need one justice system for all and it needs to be applied fairly and consistently or we are a banana republic. Just think how different things would be if Kennedy was prosecuted for depraved indifference before a jury.
Can you or your readership recall any cases of such “justice” during the Bush administrations? I mean other than Sandy Berger’s strange ability to loot the national archives of Top Secret material and get off with a pat on the wrist?