Far East Cynic

Some observations and a sea story…..

Warning notice! This is a Navy focused post.

An event this week has me waxing nostalgic that I was lucky enough to have served during the supposedly barbaric era of the 70’s and 80’s when the Navy was predominately male, a lot of fun to serve in, and focused on things like actual warfighting at sea.

Instead of being a “global force for good enough”.

The thing that set me off was this announcement.

Rear Adm. Nora Tyson has been assigned as the next commander of the Norfolk, Va.,-based Carrier Strike Group 2, which includes the carrier George H.W. Bush, according to an announcement from the Pentagon. Lt. Justin Cole, a Navy spokesman, said Tyson would be the first woman to command a carrier strike group in Navy history.

Tyson will move from her current assignment as commander of the Western Pacific Logistics Group when her orders are issued in the early summer, Cole said.

Now before one goes all high order and throws out the “M” word against me for the umpteenth time-I would strongly encourage you to take a hard look at Admiral Tyson’s biography. I defy you to find the word “carrier aviator” anywhere in it.

Because you won’t. She grew up in the TACAMO community-who, to date, have produced no male flags, but have produced two women admirals in less than three years.

Now I was in WESTPAC at the same time Admiral Tyson was COMLOGWESTPAC and by all accounts she did a credible job. But to give her a strike group?

Hell, even Tony Winns didn’t get one of those-and he has at least as many diversity points to play, if not more. But then, he’s male-and a P-3 guy.

Now its clear that some would see this criticism as trying to attack her on the basis of being female-but that’s just not it.

It is to me- a clear cut announcement by the Navy-that the wickets that were once de rigeur are no longer required.  Because the Navy is in a hurry. A hurry to prove what, I’m not quite sure. In  hurry to have a woman command a Carrier Strike Group perhaps? It is not like there are not women carrier aviators who are coming up through the ranks who will not one day be ready to accomplish that same objective-with at least some traps under their belt.

And before someone points it out-yes there are surface officers who have commanded strike groups, but they at least commanded a cruiser or a DESRON in the strike group. Its very rare-in fact almost unheard of-to see an officer jump from an amphibious ship major command to CSG command. Without at least being a carrier aviator to start with.

Because in the end its not about her talent-but the credibility she will bring to her position.

Zero point Zero.

Which leads to my sea story. A long time ago and in a galaxy far away, a certain multi-engine carrier based aircraft community was in a hurry to show that it could have a female squadron CO. And so, when the selection board time came around-the combat exclusion law having been overturned by a petulant Congress-a female was selected.

(The issue is at Tailhook was not that we took a few liberties with our female party guests. We did. Wink 😉 ).

There was only one problem with this woman’s selection-and every male in a certain carrier aviation community knew what it was:

She had never done a department head tour.

She had, however, been a flag aide-to a future CNO. So certainly, she’s qualified to command a squadron right?

Well-not quite. Completion of a department head tour with a number 1 ranking is essential-even in those days. To not have even done one at all was more than an oversight-it was a sign of blatant discrimination.

And every male in the year groups before and after her year group knew it and were screaming bloody murder about it. So much so that, the powers that be sensed a potential black eye in the making for the Navy and this carrier aviation community.

So it was decided that this person must complete a department head tour-in the very same squadron she was slated to command some day. Not without leaving the squadron and coming back to it at a later time to be determined-but within a year and a half of arriving at said squadron and staying in it the whole time.

This is-well how shall I put it-more than a little odd. Plus-since she was still a LCDR, but already screened for command, it guaranteed that no one else could have that coveted number one fitness report till she actually promoted to Commander.

Yea, there’s a real incentive to work with her.

Nonetheless off she went, did a year as maintenance officer, a year as XO then fleeted up to CO. Her assumption of command was hailed with much pomp and circumstance, pictures and headlines all over the place. At the time I was serving as the wing chief of staff-working for the guy who wrote her fitness reports.

And hearing the phrase, “get that bitch on the phone“-more than a couple of dozen times from my boss. ( Who in my opinion was a great leader, who had gotten his position the old fashioned way-he earned it.).

You see, this particular female had learned an important lesson on the way up. Getting along with your contemporaries was for suckers. Placating important and highly placed sponsors was how you advanced. And so she ignored her boss who was merely just another male Captain.

Her reward for a job passably done-selection to a fleet staff air operations officer position. Now as most folks who have been around the block in the Navy will tell you-this particular job requires an in depth knowledge of strike warfare. And its not something you can pick up in just a couple of weeks no matter how hard you work or study.

And, as the poor staff officers, who were condemned to work for her in this period can attest to-since they had to do all the work to make up for what she did not know.

All because the Navy was in a hurry.

The moral of the story here is that sometimes it is not so good to be in a hurry. The Navy has bright, female pilots who are earning their qualifications as carrier aviation pilots and one or two of whom will make flag one day. They will have gotten their promotions the same way their male counterparts did-the old fashioned away.

The same way-the exact same way-their male predecessors did.

And they will have earned the same respect their male counterparts did.

Isn’t that worth waiting for? And isn’t it what the whole idea was when the feminists started us down this crazy path?  “To just be treated the same as the men“.

Except when its not fast enough to gather good headlines I guess.

And that-boys and girls- is to the Navy’s loss.

  1. Just to add another sad note to ruin your day, it was reported in today’s Stars & Stripes that the government of the PI was going to stop issuing “Entertainment Visas” for wome to go to Korea to shut down the juciy bars. It was reported that this has seen a decrease in “juicy” activity outside the Osan gate.

    I am all for fairness, but this is what I can’t understand. It is ok to have the Gay Pride week in San Francisco and with the recent statements by the CJCS and Sec Def I am sure that the normal S.F. Fleet Week will be moved to coincide with that, but it is not appropiate for a heterosexual male to spend his money if he wants to buying over priced drinks and going to a hotel with a “girl of his dream.”

  2. To finish up my post, I guess it just comes down to the Navy is a “Force for Good” and not a war fighter. The PC crowd is winning.

    Good luck to this lady, I am sure that CAPT Graff is pissed off becuase she missed her oppotunity to become her COS.

  3. At least CAPT Graff spent time onboard armed vessels, whether she learned anything or not about AAW, cruise missle strike, ASW, RADM Tyson spent ALL of her flying career sitting in an airliner at 35,000 feet with a trailing wire antenna, and got to go home at the end of every mission. I hope she has a good CAG, COS and ops organization because from what I can see from her bio she has zip,zero, nada experience in tactical air warfare or strike from the sea.
    Agree with Maurice, in a force for good you don’t need warfighters, empty the magazines and fill them with water, MRE’s and blankets, get rid of the Hornets and load up with H-47’s and H-53’s. No ordies, more corpsman and Seabees to build tent ciities.

  4. I’m not sure what the hooha is about but then despite serving on 6 warships of one type or another I never once operated with a Battle Group except when we led one northbound through the Red Sea in 1984. So I am familiar with how a rotten skipper or even a maladroit one can have a detrimental impact on a ship but an admiral of a Strike Group is really nothing more than the tiller that a firm Washington DC pentagon type puts his hand on to put the Strike Group’s rudder over and send it somewhere. When it comes to TLAM strike, it’s the Fleet Staff that does the targeting and timing. When it comes to flight ops its the JFACC that does the ATO and SPINS. Remind me again, what does the admiral do?

  5. Informative and alarming at the same time. While our grandfathers and dads endured the failure of military readiness underscored by Dec 7, 1941, the social engineering follies of late may become too widespread to be recoverable.

    “Global force for good enough” is anything but.

  6. It is so wrong. In early 1942 we found that the Navy Flags were ill prepared to fight a war. Many, and mean many flags, had to be sent home and replaced with war fighters. Thank god the enemy did not have speed and weapons of mass destruction, and we had the time to replace the ill equiped flag officers. Our next war (with China?) will be decided by the quick reaction by flag officers on the scene. With a big EMP burst, she/he will not be able to call daddy in DC for help. Therefore, we need trained fighters at the helm. God help us.

  7. So a TACAMO community flag would best know all the myriad comm paths back to the Pentagon after the burst since they’re all about COOP and robust comms? 🙂

    On a serious note, I know that a number of general officers were relieved or inched out but not familiar with any admirals getting sacked in the first year of the war other than Kimmel.

  8. One example: Nimitz fired VADM Ghormley in Oct ’42 during the Guadalcanal campaign.

  9. Agree partially with Curtis, but wouldn’t that make the Supply Corps Flag the best BG commander since it’s really all about logistics, getting POL and stores to the deployed units to keep them im the fight.
    It’s really about credability with the people who are going over the beach, whether flying or landing on the sand, The LT s and LCDRs in the ready room used to look up to the CAG, CVN CO and BG CDR as people who knew what it was like to take an airplane in harms’ way, launch in the dark and hope to come home. All the surface Flags I knew as BG Commanders had good COS’ to advise them about aircraft tactical “stuff’, they knew they didn’t have a clue about airwing ops. A TACCAMO NFO has zero cred on board with an airwing. “Our Admiral flew an airliner”. Her COS will be a surface guy (onless they’ve changed the mix since I retired), so let’s hope the OPS O of the BG can cover the deficit.
    Really agree with Skippy, the Navy is trying to move too fast.

  10. I don’t really disagree with Stein although I would hasten to add that it’s the CTF 53, 63 or 73 that moves the peanut brittle to the Battle Groups and they are headed up by line officers not Chops and their N3’s are other Line Officers who are the ringmasters that choreograph the dance of the supply behemoths. On the other hand we’ve now had shoe and rotor head battle group CDRs and the odd submarine driver.

    I think the current suits that pass for our naval leadership today want to be able to point to the first woman 08 to get command of a fleet before the Army can point to a woman Division or Corps Commander or the Air Force can point to whatever their equivalent of either a Fleet or Division is. Our dear leaders have made so much of their sincerity for diversity that Nora may get a trifle rushed and may short tour as a Strike Group CDR to move her up as soon as possible.

    So the question is, which fleet will she get? 10th? 4th? or a real fleet?